One Last Tidbit Before We Move On

by matttbastard

Well, well — our old pal Rachel Marsden, the uncrowned Canadian queen of spittle-flecked right-wing self-parody, has apparently landed in marginal exile at WingNutDailyNorth–as perfect a proto-fascistic forum for her now-antiquated incoherent firebrand routine as anyone could hope for. Both Prole and JJ note that Marsden remains entirely unchastened by her recent unceremonious turfing from the Toronto Sun after a delightful column that extolled the virtues of torture was successfully met by a grassroots campaign of popular resistance. Her most recent screed (sorry, Rache, no linky luvvins from yours truly) replaces the initial reductive waterboarding metaphor (“CIA sponsored swim lesson“) with version 2.0 (“bobbing for apples” — wee!!11)

Puh-lease–Rache, you’re trying way too hard, now, trolling for (left-wing) outrage to help build up your ever-expanding conservative martyr complex.

Well, congrats — as far as this objectively pro-Bin Laden bastard is concerned, you’re now in the same league as Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Bill O’Reilly, etc etc etc: so entirely out to lunch that offering a serious response to your hate-filled paranoid delusions would be pointless, even counterproductive. Why bother legitimizing arguments that are so fucking ridiculous (and telegraphed) they essentially refute themselves? In other words, DNFTT — especially one with an undeservedly elevated media profile (to say nothing of ego).

Have fun wallowing in the muck and mire with the rest of the rabid swine, Marsden; I have many, many far more important matters to attend to.

[edited slightly for clarity]

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I Am Beginning To Heart Toronto Sun Family

by matttbastard

Their latest Marsden update is absolutely delicious:

One respected op ed columnist tells TSF: “You may also want to note on Sun Family that Marsden actually alleges some sort of Liberal conspiracy headed by Lou Clancy as the reason for her firing. WOW – I was always taught to leave a job graciously.”


TSF also received these “anonymous” comments and we’ll leave it to our readers to judge their merit:

“Be real. This blog has never liked Marsden because she’s not a “day one-er” and shows up the old-timers. Warmington, Granatstein, Goldstein, Williamson, Jennings, Pyette, and everyone who has actually worked with her has always liked her and have nothing but good things to say about her.

And she didn’t get “thrown out” of Fox. She left a variety show to do politics with CNN and got escorted out, as did Paula Zahn and Kiran Chetry when they left Fox.

You’re making stuff up that doesn’t exist. And your seething jealousy and hatred are all too evident.”

(TSF: Jealousy and hatred? We have barely mentioned Rachel since we launched this blog. Toronto Sun readers repulsed by her flippant attitude about torture have said more about her in two days than we have in the past year. Good luck in her new ventures.)


“Marsden always lands on her feet, at CNN for example. Controversy sells, she’ll do just fine, as usual. You have to applaud those who stand by their principles, as she does.”

Well, TSF does applaud Toronto Sun management for standing by their principles, siding with readers and showing Marsden the door. They will most likely avoid Ann Coulter-style writing in the future.

A (capital ‘L’) ‘Liberal conspiracy’ spearheaded by her (now former) boss. Riiiight.

Also: TSF has a poll up on the main page asking readers how they’d like to fill the column space formerly occupied by Marsden. Go vote!

Finally, Dave @ The Galloping Beaver recommends sending emails to Sun editor-in-chief (and apparent co-conspirator) Lou Clancy thanking him for the swift, decisive response, and rejection of ‘Ann Coulter-style writing’ in the pages of the Sun.  Hats off to you, Lou!

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V-Day: Rachel Marsden Turfed From The Toronto Sun!!11

by matttbastard

From Toronto Sun Family:

“Attention terrorists and Islamofascists: You can now read the Toronto Sun without having your delicate sensibilities offended, as my weekly column is no longer with Sun Media. I am currently exploring US syndication and other venues for the column. In the meantime, you can continue to read it here at, every Monday. And yes (to respond to some of your queries), after more than 2 years of writing weekly for the Sun, I’ve been under a new Editor-in-Chief, Lou Clancy, since October 5th, who comes from Canada’s most liberal newspaper: The Toronto Star. My column about Islam was spiked on his first day at the job. Best of luck to any principled conservatives who remain.”

– Rachel Marsden, November 7/07

Her ass must have a thick layer of callous from doors hitting it so often. 

 (Nice  work, brethren.)

Update: pale @ ACR: “The Man With No Point, who started all of this has a diary on the KOS rec list this morning, in celebration. he deserves it. Go give him some love.

Big ups TMWNP for kickin’ off the campaign.  Without you none of this would have been possible.  Good show, old bean!

Update 2: h/t exposedmusic for passing along the good news.

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Dispatches From The (Creative) Revolution: Maximizing Impact

guest post by Frank Frink

Rule #1, as prole expressed, is be polite. And respectful.

The individual advertisers did not directly place their ad on her page, and they would not necessarily be aware of any specific placements within the Toronto Sun web pages.

Make them aware, however, of the placement. Respectfully point out the optics.

Having been employed as both a media buyer and seller I can share this. Neither the advertiser nor the the media buying service they employ will be able to specifically request to have their ad removed from that specific page, not from any specific page. It doesn’t work like that.

The suggestion should be made to them that, if they disagree with the expressed viewpoint in then column and understand the harm of being associated with it no matter how peripherally, they contact Sun Media Corp. with their concern. Suggest that they make it known to Sun Media Corp. that they will remove all their advertising from Sun Media Corp. and Quebecor web and print properties unless a retraction is published in a highly visible manner; Marsden is fired; or both. And that they will direct their media buying service to withdraw their ads as soon as possible (some campaigns will have been contracted for a specific duration. They, the advertiser, may face certain contractual liabilities – Sun Media Corp. may make the counter-threat of suing them for breach of contract should they attempt to pull unilaterally. Be patient and understanding in that regard).

Sun Media Corp. and Quebecor properties include:
– Sun Media Corp. newspapers and web sites
– Osprey Media newspapers and web sites
– The network

Here’s a list of Sun Media Corp. and Osprey Media newspapers (with links to web sites where they apply) after the fold:

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Dispatches From The (Creative) Revolution UPDATE – The Heat Is On!

by matttbastard

Prole makes a preemptive strike against the ‘free speech’ red herring:

Yes, Rachel Marsden has the right to say pretty much anything she wants, even that she thinks we should torture teh terrerists, even before we know if they’re really terrerists. They’re brown and live in the sand, so they must be. She can even agree with Republican Representative Chris Shays that the sexual torture and abuse of the not-prisoners at Abu Ghraib was not abuse, but a swingin’ sex party. You know, just like Mom and Dad used to go to. She can say those things. As far as I’m concerned, she can utter whatever sick, twisted words or ideas her depraved mind can come up with.


She has no right – no entitlement – to make a living saying those things at the Toronto Sun or anywhere else.

Let’s let the Sun’s advertisers know who is endorsing their friendly neighborhood car dealership. Let’s remind them that it doesn’t look good to be associated with known convicted criminals. Especially ones who damage our national reputation by mocking international law and human rights, and put our troops in danger of reciprocal torture if they are captured. Let’s remind them that by advertising in a publication that not only continues to employ someone like Marsden, but supports her, their business is effectively condoning her screeds and validating her opinions.

Let’s let the market decide.

As consumers in a market-based economy, the way we spend our dollars is, in essence, our seal of approval. We are under no obligation to support business entities willing to underwrite someone who approves of torture. Unlike Ms Marsden, most of us don’t have the luxury–the privilege–of prominent column space in a high circulation daily newspaper to express our opinions; a lot of us feel Marsden has abused her privilege. By making these advertisers aware of our disapproval and encouraging others to do the same, we are using the only avenue we possess as consumers to make ourselves heard.

We are exercising our free speech, utilizing the tools at our disposal.

Update: Frank Frink and JJ both see daylight piercing the darkness. As Frank says:

Don’t loosen that vise grip on their cojones.

Keep blaring your horns and shaking your maracas.

Keep your fingers blazing on your keyboards or keypads.

Or, to use an old Acadien/Cajun expression from my childhood. ‘Lâche pas la patate’. (Ai-yiiiiiii!)

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It is ON!

by matttbastard

This one goes out to everyone @ A Creative Revolution (special thanks to TheManWithNoPoint for kicking off the campaign, to pale, Prole, and Frank Frink for all their heavy lifting – I am but a mere cog in the machine); to JJ Hippie, Bruce @ Canuck Attitude, Dave @ The Galloping Beaver and anyone else whom I’ve neglected to acknowledge (be sure to big up yrselves in comments and I’ll update):

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T-Dot’s Favourite Birdcage Liner Outdoes Itself – UPDATED; UPDATED 11.06: Welcome Galloping Beaver Readers!

by matttbastard

Ok. I always knew the Toronto Sun wasn’t exactly the most progressive daily in the Great White North, but this goes above and beyond anything I’ve ever read within its garish tabloid pages (including some choice Michael Coren columns):

So now that we’ve established that the detainees in question aren’t even protected by the Geneva convention, and that they often have crucial information that can save lives, what about the idea of waterboarding as “torture”?

When asked about it during a recent CNN appearance, I suggested that “one man’s torture is another’s CIA-sponsored swim lesson.” In case anyone thought I was being facetious — I wasn’t.

Not sure what’s more offensive: the trite, almost gleeful apologia for torture, or the also-ran, reheated strudel tenor of the piece. Memo to Quebecor: the world only needs one Ann Coulter. Why give her less-talented brunette doppelgänger a dead tree forum to spew rote, third-rate right-wing rants?

That’s what blogs are for.

TheManWithNoPoint @ A Creative Revolution has put out the action call. Send your respectful correspondence to:


Editorial page editor:

[edit: Quebecor, Inc contact info:

Head Office
612 rue St-Jacques Street
Montreal, Quebec
Canada H3C 4M8
Tel.: (514) 954-0101
(800) 567-7070
Fax: (514) 954-9624]

Related: Frank Frink (in ACR comments) has more details on the ever so delightful Rachel Marsden. [edit expanded on the ACR main page by the one and only pale.] Seriously, she makes even Debbie Stussel Schlussel seem…well, ok, but not quite as…alright, they’re all equally fucked up, but…

Update: Via Think Progress, as noted above, Marsden first coined the waterboarding = ‘CIA-sponsored swim lesson’ one-liner last Wednesday on The Situation Room while defending controversial prospective Attorney General Michael Mukasey:

As TP observes, “Marsden’s analogy is reminiscent of Rush Limbaugh’s distasteful contention that Abu Ghraib was nothing more than guards “having a good time,” “blow[ing] some steam off.””

Update 2: You know, it’s one thing for a D-list Coulter wannabe to casually deny the fact that waterboarding is indeed torture, but quite another for a top State Department official to essentially do the same thing (albeit minus the pithy sound bite):

The top legal adviser within the US state department, who counsels the secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, on international law, has declined to rule out the use of the interrogation technique known as waterboarding even if it were applied by foreign intelligence services on US citizens. John Bellinger refused to denounce the technique, which has been condemned by human rights groups as a form of torture, during a debate on the Bush administration’s stance on international law held by Guardian America, the Guardian’s US website. He said he would not include or exclude any technique without first considering whether it violated the convention on torture.

Said Bellinger:

One would have to apply the facts to the law, the law to the facts, to determine whether any technique, whatever it happened to be, would cause severe physical pain or suffering… .

…I’m not willing to include…or exclude [the possibility of water boarding being used on a United States national by foreign intelligence service], I mean, these are issues that our justice department as a matter of interpreting both the domestic law on torture and international law, has concluded that just don’t want to get involved in abstract discussions of applying the law to any set of facts.

Now, I don’t want to get all argumentum ad verecundiam on Marsden and Bellinger, but I’ll give the final word on the matter to Malcolm Nance:

As a former Master Instructor and Chief of Training at the US Navy Survival, Evasion, Resistance and Escape School (SERE) in San Diego, California I know the waterboard personally and intimately. SERE staff were required undergo the waterboard at its fullest. I was no exception. I have personally led, witnessed and supervised waterboarding of hundreds of people.


Waterboarding is a torture technique. Period. There is no way to gloss over it or sugarcoat it. It has no justification outside of its limited role as a training demonstrator. Our service members have to learn that the will to survive requires them accept and understand that they may be subjected to torture, but that America is better than its enemies and it is one’s duty to trust in your nation and God, endure the hardships and return home with honor.


If you support the use of waterboarding on enemy captives, you support the use of that torture on any future American captives.


According to the President, this is not a torture, so future torturers in other countries now have an American legal basis to perform the acts. Every hostile intelligence agency and terrorist in the world will consider it a viable tool, which can be used with impunity. It has been turned into perfectly acceptable behavior for information finding.

A torture victim can be made to say anything by an evil nation that does not abide by humanity, morality, treaties or rule of law. Today we are on the verge of becoming that nation. Is it possible that September 11 hurt us so much that we have decided to gladly adopt the tools of KGB, the Khmer Rouge, the Nazi Gestapo, the North Vietnamese, the North Koreans and the Burmese Junta?

Update 3 11.06: Welcome Galloping Beaver readers! Here’s what we have thus far:

I’ve started compiling a list of advertisors whose ads have been served up to me directly on the Marsden column web page. Feel free to add on and pile on. Obviously these are being served up through the network ( is another Quebec/Sun Media property), and done through media buying services not the advertisors directly but they should be made aware that they have been associated with the condoning of illegal torture.

Here’s what prole and I have found so far:

Second City

ebay –

toronto film school –

Sheraton Fallsview

PJ’s Pet Centres-

Sheridan College –

thorncrest ford –

East Court Ford –

Ontario Science Centre

Summit Ford 12 Carrier Drive, Rexdale, ON M9V 2C1 1-800-397-2017

tdwaterhouse –

Plaza Auto Group –

Please take heed of Prole’s sound advice:

You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Mind your manners!

[edited om 11.05 to add original Marsden quote, correct some glaring errors and for overall clarity. I hate posting @ work.]

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